August and October Comments

From:
Eriks Humeyumptewa

E-Mail:
eriks@latgale.org

Comments: I read your article on the Hopi trip and was impressed not only with your writing and article information (accurate!), but more importantly your sensitivity and respect to the region and its people. I find so few people these days who are willing to show respect towards another culture, particularly when visiting their homeland.

Being Hopi myself, I am accustomed to seeing visitors being disrespectful and bothersome, and find your crew to be a wonderful exception to the rule. I should like to see further articles about more cultures from your publication as I feel your people are excellent humanitarian ambassadors. You neither exaggerate nor glorify but provide a true glimpse of people and their culture and present it all in a culturally sensitive manner.

Cheers and my hat off to you.


From:
Mona Alriyalat

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Comments: I was sent your site, viewzone, and loved it. I wanted to share something with you. I am a native Oklahoman, and also a part of the Cherokee/ Choctaw/Comanche tribe, and other lineage. I am also a Muslim. I have long believed that many of the tribes here are mixed with Arabic peoples, my tribes of the Cherokees especially show this, as well as the other cousin southeastern tribes. I have now learned that we, Cherokees had Islam over 1000 years ago, and we traded with Arabic people, believed to be from Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, and Persians. I have been sent information of the true name of one of our Muslim chiefs, Chief Ramadan Ibn Wati. He was our last Muslim chief. This expalined alot about our clothing, head wraps and culture all together, and some of us who look more like a middle easterner than the typical picture of American Indian, like myself. Anyway, when I read about what you found, I could not get the word Thamud out of my head, now I know why. Last night I was reading in my Holy Quran, in the Sura 89 called Fajr "The Dawn", there is mention of the ancient people of Ad, from Saudi, and the rock carvings and dwellings of the people Thamud. Very interesting I thought. I hope you continue, and i would like to see you broadcasted all over the tv, because the truth of Native Americans and this continent have been covered by so many lies and so many things hidden from all of us. It warms my heart to see you found somethings i have felt in my spirit for so long. I hope you will write me and tell me more.


From:
Gene D. Matlock

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Comments: I read with interest the Cherokee lady's letter to your "Letters to the Editor" secion. The Indians claim that their visits to the Americas (Patala) were vigorous until about 1100 or 1200 AD when Buddhism and Brahm-Aryanism drove them into complete isolation. The Hindu ships were well-made of teakwood and had many innovations, such as compartments, to keep them from sinking. Some of these ships were 250 feet long and five- or six-masted. The British ended up letting the Hindus have a near monopoly on shipbuilding during the era of the old sailing ships.

Naturally, they brought emigrants to Patala in droves. These emigrants were more than likely from several different countries. Arabs were world-class traders. Yesterday, when I was at the library, I read in a book a statement about a Tennessee Melungeon that he was descended from Phoenicians. When I was a young man in Mexico, the Japanese ambassador went to the state of Hidalgo to visit the Otomi Indians who were then an extremely backward pygmy-size people. He swore that they spoke classical Japanese and even conversed with them. Many words in the Algonquin Native-American language come directly from Old Norwegian. For example: Squaw = Squawm; Wigwam=Wigwam.

When the Indians stopped visiting the Americas, urban growth skidded to a halt. What the Indians say about this is more believable than our wonderment about "what mystery" caused the Native Americans to stop urban growth all of a sudden.


From:
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Comments: You should really visit the Incunabula site at: http://www.incunabula.org/ This is some of the strangest and most intriguing stuff I've seen in years.


From:
"Peter"

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Comments: Viewzone - thanks for having the guts to tell the truth about the tainted polio vaccine and the rise in cancer rates and AIDS. I work in a pathology lab and the relationship is well known but seldom spoken about. Your story on the SV-40 virus is especially important to me, an African-American, as many of my people have been killed by AIDS in Africa. The World Health Organization continues to promote the myth of "eating monkey flesh" as the origins of HIV, yet it is clear that the same SV-40 tainted polio virus is the real suspect.

I noted recently that a case of HIV was found in a frozen body of a man some 30 years ago (much too early to have contracted it from the so-called "Patient Zero" and I am sure that this case can be linked to the 1950's polio vaccine. Good work, please keep it up.


From:
John C. Webb, Jr.

E-Mail:
webb099@hotmail.com

Comments: I enjoyed your material on the Hopi. I looked at the illustrations of the tablets in your article and saw that they resemble the same symbols that LaVan Martineau attributed to Native Americans (see your Picketwire Canyon story). Doesn't this prove (or stongly suggest) that these symbols are not all that old? If these were given to the Hopi at the beginning of the 4th world shouldn't they be unique?


From:
Celia

E-Mail:
cridgway@netdirect.net

Comments: Thanks for your articles "Devil Lived." I've gone over the articles several times now, because it's the first time I've seen in print things I have known in my heart for years. It's downright irritating that some have known about the clay tablet library for years and years, and have kept it quite. Why are we earthlings so threatened by truth outside of what we have considered truth? We limit ourselves so severely, and so unnecessarily. Your presentation of 'new' truth, Viewzone people, is what keeps me coming back again and again. Like others have said here, your honest and yet respectful handling of information is outstanding in a day when one can rarely tolerate media behavior, nor believe what is put forth. I look forward to reading Viewzone for a long time to come.


From:
G.M.

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Comments: I really enjoyed Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe. I feel that mankind is getting ever closer to the real origins of the "Native Americans." Even the most conventional of archeologists knows that Pacal was not a Mayan.

In the late 60s, when I was teaching Spanish to adult students, a student who worked in a printing company smuggled me a copy a history of the Spanish conquest of Northwestern Mexico. The antique original had been in the possession of a now Mexican descendant of Civil War period American expatriates living in Los Mochis, Sinaloa. The Spanish author said that the Northern Mexican "Indians" were so tall that when the latter were captured in battle, the Spaniards had to extend their arms fully upward in order to grab their braids and pull them down to handcuff them.


From:
Israel Cohen

E-Mail:
izzy@telaviv.ndsoft.com

Comments: I hope you are interested in the concept of Phoenician anthropomorphic maps and are movitated to (help) prove that the two maps described below did or did not exist as such in antiquity.

I reconstructed these two maps based on the phonological resemblance of the name of each area to the name for a corresponding body part in Hebrew or Greek. I suspect most of the names were originally Phoenician.

If these maps are a figment of my imagination, then they are merely a nice mnemonic device for remembering these geographic areas and their relative locations. But I suspect these maps were purposefully created as representations of a coherent (sacred) body on the ground.

[Exhibit 1]: On 27.08.98, the linguist Dan "Moonhawk" Alford posted the following item on the Evolution Language list. It describes a "body part" map in North America:

Blackfoot researcher Stan Knowlton shared a sacred geography project with members of the Bohmian Science Dialogue about five years ago. He had taken a map of Alberta and had the modern names removed, then went around to various areas and asked the elders what the old Blackfoot names used to be for various places. After collecting consistent names for specific places that attributed what we would call "anthropomophic" features to various parts of the landscape (including such body parts as foot, arm, belly, head, eyebrow, etc. for mountains, rivers, plains, etc.), out popped the figure of a man with feet to the south -- Napi the creator (who came up from the south and went east -- a teaching consistent with the migration by Algonquians after the Ice Age, up from Mexico and back east to the homeland in the northeast).

Experientially, this meant that if you, for instance, lived near the heart of this imaginary figure, and you went to visit someone that lived near the left knee, say, or even further near the right foot (I'm making this all up while imagining it), you would always know how to get back to the heart place just by looking at your body and knowing directions. Or if you were in unfamiliar territory, you could just look for landmarks that would have something to do with body parts. Sacred geography -- what a concept!

When he got back to one elder with the information for double- checking, we were told the following year, this elder brightened up and told Stan that if he'd gotten that far (in finding Napi), then if he kept going further east to the north, he'd find a woman and a child as well, which marked ancient alliances. And sure enough, he did.

All of this to say that we invaders have taken over Indian names here and there, but we have almost completely lost the rich SYSTEMS of placenames that once interweaved the landscape of this great continent.

warm regards, moonhawk

Anthropomorphic Maps

I have used the body-part map concept described above to find similar anthropomorphic maps elsewhere. This concept produces a "map without paper", enabling a language community to know approximately where various areas are located and what other areas will be crossed when traveling from "here" to "there". Associating these body parts with the body of a god/goddess enables that language community to identify itself with the land because the land then belongs to *its* god/goddess.

The two most complete maps I have found seem to be a male body [Hermes ?] (from Russia to Yemen) and a female body [Aphrodite ?] (from Morocco to Somalia). Most of the names seem Phoenician in origin. The non-Phoenician names may be loan-translations.

I suspect Hermes "moved" from Mt. Hermon (now on the Israeli-Syrian border near Lebanon) to Mt. Olympus.

Needless to say, these maps are easier to visualize if you have an atlas or globe handy, preferably one showing ancient names for these areas.

? = aleph (GHT/CHS sound), X = het (W sound), 3 = aiyin (G/K sound), ancient SHin (D/T sound)

Body of Hermes


Area Root Translation
Russia RoSH head
Ukraine Gk KRaNion cranium
(Slavic u.kriana=at the border?)
Georgia GaRGeret throat, trachea
Caspian (Sea) KaSeF shoulder
Turkey SaRoo3/SHaLaX YaD outstretched arm
(Sin = T) (Turkish Turkmen ?)
Anatolia NiTLaH wash hands
(in Black, Marmara, Med seas);
Gk=sunrise
Antioch SHeXi armpit (SHin = T)
Armenia RaMaH hurl, cast, fling [hence arm]
Pontus Gk PoNTiKi (arm) muscle
Cappadocia KaF-YaD palm of hand ??
Phrygia Gk phálanx bone of finger
(see Nostratic penkwe)
Bithynia BoHeN thumb
Kurdistan Gk kardía heart (compare Libya below)
Luristan Gk lórdosis,
Heb LoRDoZaH
curvature of the spine
Assyria Gk orrhos arse (reversed)
Syria TZaR narrow (waist, compare Misr below)
Phoenicia Gk omphalós navel (compare Nepal near BhuTaN=stomach)
Lebanon Skt nabhila navel (reversed)
Philistine Gk phallós male anatomical member (see Canaan below)
Iraq YeReKH hip
Kuwait SHvK thigh (SHin = T) (reversed)
Nafud (Arabia) DoFeN side (reversed)
BaHRain BeReKH knee (compare Arabic irRoHK-bah)
Arabia BeReKH knee (reversed)
Yemen YaMiN right (foot)

I suspect the Germani tribes described by the Roman historian Tacitus came from the northern area of the map of Hermes. Tacitus says: "Mercury is the deity whom they chiefly worship." Mercury is the Roman equivalent of Hermes.

Body of Aphrodite

Area Root Translation
Pun PaNim face (lost during 3rd Punic war)
Fez (Morocco) PeS fez, tarboosh
W. Sahara Sa3aRa hair
Morocco Gk kraníon head, skull (reversed)
Tunisia SaNTir chin (reversed)
Algeria aL + GaRon the + throat
Libya LeB heart
Chad SHaD mammary feature
Misr/Mitzraim MoSNaim waist (mem-W parallel)
Egypt KaBeD liver (old Gk HePaTikos, Russ GePaTiT)

Yellow fever, a disease characterized by liver damage and jaundice, is transmitted by a the Aedes aegypti mosquito. This mosquito is native to the African rain forest (not Egypt). I infer that the this mosquito was called "aegypti" because it transmits a disease which attacks the liver.

GoSHeN (shin = T) KiTNiot = beans -- kidney (bean shape)
Sudan TZaD side, flank
Eritrea LL < Gk ouréthra urethra, Djibouti XaBaSH~Ethiopia (het=French Dj, shin=T) reverse of SHaFKHaH=urethra
Somalia S'MoL left (foot)
Red Sea YaM SooF=reed seareverse of PohS peh-sof=vagina, female pudenda
Sinai K'NiSa entrance (reverse = 'snatch', pudenda)
Canaan K:Na3aN < 3oNeG delight, pleasure, enjoyment (reversed)

Some comments on this topic have been collected on a "Talking Stick" page of the American Indian COUNCILFIRE web site: www.councilfire.com.

An email correspondent asked how sure I am about what I'm saying. It is a fair question. On the one hand, this is not intended to be a hoax or a satire. On the other hand, some of the "connections" are far more certain than others.

I'll try to answer [this] question by relating the history of this "idea".

As a member of the EvolutionLanguage email discussion group, I received a posting from linguist Dan Moonhawk Alford claiming that some Amerindian place names represented body parts forming a figure on the ground. About 3 weeks later I finally found the time to investigate if this occurred in this part of the world.

It took me about 2 hours on a day last December to find body-part analogues for most of the parts of "Aphrodite". I started with Lybia - LeV = heart, which I had always considered to be just a strange coincidence.

I decided that Misr/Mitsraim could be MoSNaim = waist quite quickly because Hebrew final nun is often R in other languages and I had previously discovered the mem-W parallel which I sometimes call the min-max/wane-wax phenomena. (If you try to pronounce M but fail to close your mouth, you get a W.) So MiTS could be parallel with WaiST (with ts to st metathesis).

Sudan and Somalia mapped easily. So did Chad, Algeria, Morocco and Sahara. It was about 2 weeks later that I realized TuNiS should be the reversal of SaNTir = chin. And it was about 3 months later before I realized that Egypt = the liver.

Ironically, Egypt = liver is now (in my mind) the one most certain pair on these maps. The fact that yellow fever (characterized by liver damage and jaundice) is transmitted by the mosquito Aedes aegypti indicates that this word was anciently associated with the liver. This mosquito is native to African rain forests, not Egypt.

I equated GoSHeN with KiTNiot = beans, hence the kidneys, only last March. Perhaps this is the reason that Ashkenazi jews do not eat "kitniot" during Passover?

Fez is now a city and these types of names typically do *not* apply to cities, just to general areas. Fez may be inappropriate as the name for a hat on a female head.

Algeria from aL GaRon = "the throat" is a bit of a stretch. :-) It may be a coincidence. Its modern shape is certainly not throat-like whereas the "Hermes" throat at Georgia is very throat-like. On the other hand, Phoenician mapmakers may have considered only the coastal strip of present-day Algeria to be a throat.

The area west of Tunisia really was known as Pun, as was the language spoken there, a Phoenician dialect. The Phoenician city of Carthage was destroyed by Rome during the 3rd (last) Punic war.

The sexual connotations of Sinai and Canaan are by no means certain. Sinai is spelled samekh-yod-nun-yod but it is pronounced (in English and Hebrew) as if it contained an aleph before the final yod. I think the spelling is euphemistic to avoid the sexual connotation.

My association of the noun 'snatch' = external female genitalia with the reversal of Talmudic Heb (Aramaic ?) KNiSaH = entrance was arrived at several years ago. It seems that most of the (now) English words for this body part are associated with Semitic words for the concepts of "come, come in", "gateway" and "entrance". The British (not American) usage of "fanny" for this same body part may be derived from Latin veni = I came, as in veni, vidi, vici.

[The Hebrew name for the Red Sea is YaM = sea + SooF samekh-oo-feh = rush, reed, sedge, i.e., the Reed Sea. However, a reversal of SooF sounds like peh-sof-(heh) PoS or PoSaH which means socket; female pudenda. This implies a menstruously Red Sea. On some ancient maps, the Red Sea is actually colored red.]

Ethiopia has, historically, been the name of a far different area than it is today. At one time it stretched across all of south-central Africa including the West coast. The South Atlantic ocean was once known as the Ethiopian sea.

One correspondent suggested that Djibouti was "the bootie" on Aphrodite's foot, but he was implying that the entire map consisted of such nonsense. [It now seems that both Eritrea and Djibouti mean "urethra". XaBaSH, the Heb name for what is now called Ethiopia, seems to be a reversal of SHaFKHaH = urethra.] Treating the het as Dj (in French) and the shin as T produces Djibouti. Eritrea is parallel to Gk ouréthra = urethra.

The question has been raised: Did I "select" only names that could be matched and "ignore" far more names that could not be. In the case of "Aphrodite", it is obvious that I dealt with nearly all of the names that are there.

In the case of Hermes, far more names, especially in present-day Turkey, could *not* be matched with body parts. The number of ancient names in the area of Anatolia that could not be matched significantly exceeded the number that could be. And the matches offered are all problematical.

In that area, Antioch is a "perfect" match by location, but it is based on only two consonants, so it is also problematic.

Pontus is a good match with Gk Pontiki = muscle. There is a Greek mouse called Pontiki which some linguists have cited as support for the proposition that English muscle is derived from Latin musculus = little mouse. But I think this is nonsense. The Greek mouse is called Pontiki because it is thought to have come from the area of Pontus. And, of course, I think that Pontus is so named because it is at the location of the biceps.

Greek "pontiki" meaning muscle is probably related to Latin pont- (s. of pons) = bridge [because a muscle stretches/contracts from one bone to another]. The second part of "pontiki" = muscle may be related to taxis, the (re)positioning of a body part by manipulation [ < NL < Gk táxis = tag-, base of tássein = to arrange, put in order] since this is what muscles do.

The connection of Aphrodite with Africa is a good match phonetically. The connection of Hermes with the other body is far less certain. However, there is a well-known mythological connection between Hermes and Aphrodite. This connection seems to be illustrated by these maps, literally.

OK. There you have it. The maps are intended to be serious even though they are a bit "funny". If its all a coincidence, than we should spell that word like my last name, Cohen-cidence. :-)

I think the idea of anthropomorphic maps is a meme whose time came, went, and may yet come again (at least as history).

Israel "izzy"Cohen
izzy@telaviv.ndsoft.com

Note: ViewZone has our graphic artists working on a map which will illustrate these concepts. We will feature this work in our next issue.


From:
Leonard F. Reuter

E-Mail:
almijisti@hotmail.com

Comments: Even by the most conservative estimates of the neoDarwinism, humankind as we know it has existed on this earth for at least 150,000 to 250,000 years. Years once counted by the return of the Sun and now by the halflife of certain radioactive isotopes stored in the National Institute of Standards in Washington, D.C. Even so, by any reckoning, the timeline of mankind on Earth far exceeds the limited ability of uber-technology to discern the lost mysteries of our collective past. A typical archaeological dig today constitutes less than 10% of the area of an average site, yet this restriction has not prevented us from comprehending the age of our earliest discernible ancestors. What we find is astounding and, as your recent "devlish" authors suggest, rarely considered. While I do not agree in tota with the conclusions drawn in the articles on Indo-Hebrew and the Nephilim, I appreciate the willingness to tackle the deeper questions of our past. For too long have the Philistines of human heritage suppresed the mythic message of our ancestors. Who are we to discount an hundred thousand or more years of experience and learning for the cheap and easy thrills of expedient empiricism? To be sure, our forefathers and mothers may have been mistaken now and then about things--as are we--but the great goal of the entirety of the ancient teachings is that we are one. The modern apostacy of the belief in polygenetic origins, the basis of Nazi-Aryanist ideology will, tragically, be the peril as a species. That the true origins of *all* mankind may be Alien or Aryan (perhaps not coincidentally related to the same root word in Proto-Indoeuropean) is not nearly as important as the realization that the ancients knew we had the same roots.


From:
Kevin Osgood

E-Mail:
kgo213@yahoo,com

Comments: Evolution has been widely held to explain the variance in human races since the advancement of the theory by Charles Darwin. It has become a sort of paradigm in anthropology with adherents passionately resisting any critique and suppressing any theories to the contrary. Recently, a landmark case in Kansas challenged the teaching of evolution in high schools. A national poll, conducted by MSNBC (August 25, 1999), noted that 50 percent of the American population believed in the Biblical story of creation, specifically that God created man, while only 15 percent believed in the Darwinian theory of evolution of humans from lower forms of animal life.

Part of the erosion of evolution as the dominant theory of human history is due to lack of supporting fossil data and the recent evidence that modern homo sapiens appear to have abruptly, rather than gradually, differentiated from other species.

Archaeological findings in Israel demonstrated that Neanderthal, the large brained and muscular bi-ped, lived along side the more delicate and smaller brained Cromagnon. Both homonids appear to have had beneficial traits, worthy of survival, yet it is believed that the weaker, smaller brained Cromagnon gave way to our present human population. Neanderthal Man, with his strength and adaptive physique, seems to fit well with the Darwinian progression from earlier skeletal remains. But Cromagnon Man is unique. His delicate body and small brain seem ill equipped to compete, let alone outsurvive, the robust Neanderthal.

In the same MSNBC poll, 26 percent of Americans believed that both evolution and the Bible could be correct. This seems to suggest that there is a logical understanding that some type of "godly" intervention resulted in the sudden differentiation of homo sapiens sapiens from the evolutionary homonids. Please keep up your excellent work in allowing for a discussion of these important topics.


From:
Nadia K

E-Mail:
styman19@sprint.ca

Comments: Hello, i came across the aticle you had on facial symmetry, and i was wondering if there are any references to the journal articles mentioned in the article. Is there any possibility i can obtain access to these studies? Thank you greatly for your time in reading this email. Take care, Nadia


From:
Ghazal Sochael

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ghazal18@cyber.net.pk

Comments: Dear Readers Greetings My message for u all iz that if u do something just do it for the sake of doing it because it helps without expectation because it makes life easier and it helps alot. (eg:if u love someone just love him for the sake of loving that person but if u expect the same and u don't get the same it hurts and it hurts bad!!!1 so love that person just love to love not to expect that the person is gonna love u in the same). ok goodluck and wish u all thebest bye. ghazal.


From:
anonymous

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From:
John Rogers

E-Mail:
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Comments: I found the "Picket Wire" story very interesting. You might find the ISACNET.org a site worth visiting if you want to find more on the many places rock-writing in ogam has been discovered. Two books of interest are (1) "America B.C." by the late Barry Fell, and (2) "In Plain Sight" by Gloria Farley. I would especially like to read more on this subject. The site I suggested is for the Institute For The Study Of American Cultures. Thanks.


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